Friday, February 8, 2008

You hate us, you really hate us!

Interesting article, the best I've seen, in today's Wall Street Journal about the huge anti-Mormon bias that smacked Mitt upside the head: click... here

Lots of interesting stuff in the article, so go read the whole thing. Here's the money quote:

The Mormon religion "was the silent factor in a lot of the decision making by evangelicals and others," says Democratic pollster Peter Hart, who conducted the poll. The Romney campaign ran into "a religious bias head wind," Mr. Hart and his Republican polling partner, Bill McInurff, wrote late last month.

8 comments:

  1. No, this has nothing to do with hate, but truth!
    In the article you posted here on your blog, my husband Rocky Hulse is mentioned, we live in Nauvoo, Illinois. Please read what he has to say below:

    In the article it talks about the fact that we did a seminar at Life Point Bible Church in Quincy, Illinois. At the seminar we discussed the Mormon doctrine that denies the virgin birth. The article says that Scott Gordon, president of Foundation for Apologetics Information & Research (FAIR), a Mormon apologetics group, said "Mr. Hulse is wrong on the facts. "Well I challenge Scott Gordon to disprove the quotes that were directly taken from my new book "When Salt Lake City Calls." If Scott Gordon can prove they were wrong or misquoted, I will be happy to remove them from my book and print an apology. If they are not wrong, which they are not, Scott Gordon needs to issue me an apology for wrongly stating that my facts were wrong, because they weren't.

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  2. Way to go Chris!!! You got a troll!!! I can't believe these people have nothing better to do than comment on YOUR blog. No offense.

    To Helen I say:
    Huh? I can't understand your comment. There is no "Mormon doctrine that denies the virgin birth." You are basically saying that some quotes in some book your husband wrote proves this. I'm not sure if Helen/Hubby have looked at this other book . . . called The Book of Mormon where it says "Behold, the VIRGIN whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God" (1 Nephi 11:18) which is just one of many, many quotes. Get a life Helen. Find something else to do besides trolling Mormon bloggers and holding conferences persecuting them and spreading lies about their beliefs. Try raising Alpacas. I hear that is good for the blood pressure.

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  3. Oh, and I looked up Rocky's book. Turns out it was self-published. Hee hee. I guess its not as authoritative as she would have us believe. Not exactly the WSJ, if you know what I mean.

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  4. As an attorney Chris, you should know there is something called facts and evidence to prove your case. Isn't that correct?

    Addy&Matt... your comments just prove that Mormons simply cannot discuss Mormonism without name calling and mocking, simply impossible.
    Mormon Arrogance Revealed!

    You need to read again the challenge, my husband made to Scott Gordon.

    I make the same challenge to all of you, disprove one thing written in "When Salt Lake City Calls: Is there a conflict between Mormonism and the public trust?" by Rocky Hulse.

    You cannot. Why? Between the pages are all quotes from your Mormon Leaders and your Mormon Scriptures.

    KJV, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, Pearl of Great Price and Joseph Smith History
    aka...your quad!

    Addy&Matt...Sorry, to hear that you aren't aware of the Mormon Doctrine that denies the virgin birth. Just because you haven't heard it or aren't aware of it doesn't make it not true.

    Here is a question for you:

    Do you believe that Joesph Smith was a prophet of God? Brigham Young was a Prophet of God? James E. Talmage was a Mormon Apostle? Bruce R. McConkie was a Mormon Apostle? Melvin J Ballard is a Apostle of God? Ezra Taft Benson was a Prophet of God?

    Ponder on the above question for awhile and then come back with your answer about these men.

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  5. Thank you Addy (who is also an attorney, as is Matt, for anyone interested) I appreciate your comments, and find your quote directly out of the book of Mormon quite irrefutable as to our beliefs. Also to Helen, may I send your same sentiments back to you "Just because you haven't heard it or aren't aware of it doesn't make it not true." I hope you truly believe this, because if you do, it can simply stop this banter, you have taught yourself a nice lesson here, now apply it.

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  6. You know, Helen you are certainly entitled to your beliefs and opinions, as we all are. My question is: Why have you and your husband made it your mission to "destroy" what we believe in? I think we all respect that you disagree with what we believe in as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, that being said, why can it not end there? Why must there be seminars given to try and ruin what we believe to be true doctrine? You seem also to be a Christian, and there are certainly other Christian sects with many beliefs differing from yours, so are there also seminars against what they believe in? Are there books being published against Catholics, Lutherins, Seventh Day Adventists? I am content with my Mormon beliefs and I am sure you and your Husband are also content with yours. It seems to me that a more Christian thing to do would be to let others worship however they please and invite them to follow you if they are interested, share your beliefs if you like. I don't however think it is appropriate for people to express such hate to others for being Mormon, or any other religion.

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  7. Well said, dds. Much kinder than I put it. I guess you just PROVED that Mormons can engage in dialogue without name-calling :}

    I'm not joking when I say that this Helen-troll is just trying to get people to buy her husband's self-published book. No non-mormons want to buy it, so she is trying to get Mormons angry enough to respond to their "challenge" and buy it. It is astouding that someone would try to make a living doing this kind of thing.

    The funniest part is that even if it were true that Mormons believe in a non-physical explanation for the virgin birth (which I am assuming is the point of the quotes in Rocky's "book") she fails to explain why that justifies political bias against Mormons in politics, which is the whole point of the WSJ article. The real thesis of her husband's "book" is that Mormons can't be trusted in politics because they will give their allegience to the church over the government. People like them obviously think the bias is justified by "truth," (or is it truthiness??) which ironically affirms the whole point of the WSJ article.

    Chris . . . are you going to delete these or are you a little bit proud?

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  8. Thanks for the question Addy. Actually, I'm not going to delete, but I am going to close this post to any further comments. This blog is a bit too mellow for these type of discussions.

    The only comment I have is that we should all remember the words of that "famous" Mormon Ken Jennings who stated that "pretty much all religious belief is fundamentally irrational"

    That quote comes from a great response to anti-Mormon sentiment on the internet:

    http://ken-jennings.com/blog/?p=414

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